From nobody@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 17 08:07:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id AB62414D7D; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <19990917150738.AB62414D7D@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:07:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob@WhiteBarn.com Sender: nobody@FreeBSD.ORG To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Kudos for Recent Press X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 >Number: 13790 >Category: advocacy >Synopsis: Kudos for Recent Press >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-advocacy >State: closed >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Sep 17 08:10:04 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: Fri Sep 17 11:04:23 PDT 1999 >Last-Modified: Fri Sep 17 12:50:03 PDT 1999 >Originator: Bob Van Valzah >Release: 3.2-RELEASE >Organization: WhiteBarn >Environment: >Description: Not a problem--I just wanted to say kudos to the advocacy folks after noticing the Wall Street Journal and Boston Globe pieces recently. Keep up the good work! >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Bob@WhiteBarn.com Cc: FreeBSD Gnats Subject: Re: advocacy/13790: Kudos for Recent Press Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:40:21 +0200 [intentional submission to GNATS left for the archives ] * Bob@WhiteBarn.com (Bob@WhiteBarn.com) [990917 19:28]: > >>Number: 13790 >>Category: advocacy >>Description: >Not a problem--I just wanted to say kudos to the advocacy folks after >noticing the Wall Street Journal and Boston Globe pieces recently. > >Keep up the good work! Pardon me for being the asshole now, how much I agree, but please, PLEASE don't abuse the pr system like this. If you feel you need to congratulate the advocacy guys (whom we all are in a sense) mail to advocacy@freebsd.org. You will reach them in that way. If we start to dirty the PR system with stuff like this, we lose the effectiveness of the PR system which is already a hell of a job to maintain. Of course I speak from my own person, but I hope the others agree with me on this one. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best Haste makes waste. State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: steve State-Changed-When: Fri Sep 17 11:02:48 PDT 1999 State-Changed-Why: Thanks from all of us for the kudos, but as Jeroen mentioned this really belongs on the mailing list, advocacy@freebsd.org, and not as a PR. Thanks. From: Bob Van Valzah To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai , steve@FreeBSD.org Cc: FreeBSD Gnats , Advocacy@FreeBSD.org, www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: advocacy/13790: Kudos for Recent Press Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:24:49 -0500 --------------6BF71F65DAF2C9F2B9852940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeroen & Steve, I'm with you. I've been managing software development projects for 15 years so I understand the importance of keeping a PR system clean. Nobody wants the metrics mucked up. In fact, I actually set out this morning with the intent of sending E-Mail to the advocacy folks. I wasn't certain of their E-Mail address. (In retrospect, I should've just tried Advocacy@FreeBSD.Org and let it bounce if I was wrong.) I searched hoping to find a list of mail aliases or something. Most of the hits that came back were RQN issues. No E-Mail alias were listed anywhere in the top ten hits. Send-pr.html was the number 3 hit. It seemed hard to imagine how "advocacy" would be a problem category taken as seriously as say "kern," so I "abused" the PR system after 5 minutes of searching in vain. I apologize. But this sequence of events leaves me with some nagging questions 1. Does advocacy even belong on send-pr.html? What would be a reasonable problem to report in the advocacy category? Would you actually track it and close it? 2. Why doesn't Advocacy@FreeBSD.Org show up in the top 10 search hits? 3. What ever happened to the host Advocacy.FreeBSD.Org? (One of the search page hits lead there.) 4. I can't be the only guy to've ever introduced a "noise" message into the PR system. Is there a systemic problem that makes it difficult to close a "noise" message and get on with it? Thanks for your consideration. Bob Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > [intentional submission to GNATS left for the archives ] > > * Bob@WhiteBarn.com (Bob@WhiteBarn.com) [990917 19:28]: > > > >>Number: 13790 > >>Category: advocacy > >>Description: > >Not a problem--I just wanted to say kudos to the advocacy folks after > >noticing the Wall Street Journal and Boston Globe pieces recently. > > > >Keep up the good work! > > Pardon me for being the asshole now, how much I agree, but please, > PLEASE don't abuse the pr system like this. > > If you feel you need to congratulate the advocacy guys (whom we all > are in a sense) mail to advocacy@freebsd.org. You will reach them in > that way. > > If we start to dirty the PR system with stuff like this, we lose the > effectiveness of the PR system which is already a hell of a job to > maintain. > > Of course I speak from my own person, but I hope the others agree > with me on this one. > > -- > Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai(at)wxs.nl > The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project > Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best > Haste makes waste. --------------6BF71F65DAF2C9F2B9852940 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeroen & Steve, I'm with you. I've been managing software development projects for 15 years so I understand the importance of keeping a PR system clean. Nobody wants the metrics mucked up.

In fact, I actually set out this morning with the intent of sending E-Mail to the advocacy folks.

I wasn't certain of their E-Mail address. (In retrospect, I should've just tried Advocacy@FreeBSD.Org and let it bounce if I was wrong.)

I searched hoping to find a list of mail aliases or something. Most of the hits that came back were RQN issues. No E-Mail alias were listed anywhere in the top ten hits. Send-pr.html was the number 3 hit. It seemed hard to imagine how "advocacy" would be a problem category taken as seriously as say "kern," so I "abused" the PR system after 5 minutes of searching in vain.

I apologize.

But this sequence of events leaves me with some nagging questions

  1. Does advocacy even belong on send-pr.html? What would be a reasonable problem to report in the advocacy category? Would you actually track it and close it?
  2. Why doesn't Advocacy@FreeBSD.Org show up in the top 10 search hits?
  3. What ever happened to the host Advocacy.FreeBSD.Org? (One of the search page hits lead there.)
  4. I can't be the only guy to've ever introduced a "noise" message into the PR system. Is there a systemic problem that makes it difficult to close a "noise" message and get on with it?
Thanks for your consideration.

    Bob

Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote:

[intentional submission to GNATS left for the archives ]

* Bob@WhiteBarn.com (Bob@WhiteBarn.com) [990917 19:28]:
>
>>Number:         13790
>>Category:       advocacy
>>Description:
>Not a problem--I just wanted to say kudos to the advocacy folks after
>noticing the Wall Street Journal and Boston Globe pieces recently.
>
>Keep up the good work!

Pardon me for being the asshole now, how much I agree, but please,
PLEASE don't abuse the pr system like this.

If you feel you need to congratulate the advocacy guys (whom we all
are in a sense) mail to advocacy@freebsd.org. You will reach them in
that way.

If we start to dirty the PR system with stuff like this, we lose the
effectiveness of the PR system which is already a hell of a job to
maintain.

Of course I speak from my own person, but I hope the others agree
with me on this one.

--
Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai                  asmodai(at)wxs.nl
The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project <http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai>
Network/Security Specialist        BSD: Technical excellence at its best
Haste makes waste.

--------------6BF71F65DAF2C9F2B9852940-- From: Steve Price To: Bob Van Valzah Cc: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai , FreeBSD Gnats Subject: Re: advocacy/13790: Kudos for Recent Press Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:49:03 -0500 (CDT) On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Bob Van Valzah wrote: # But this sequence of events leaves me with some nagging questions # # 1. Does advocacy even belong on send-pr.html? What would be a reasonable # problem to report in the advocacy category? Would you actually track # it and close it? I added the advocacy category to cover problems encountered with the WWW pages on advocacy.freebsd.org. Don't know that it has proven to have been worhwhile since this site no longer exists. # 2. Why doesn't Advocacy@FreeBSD.Org show up in the top 10 search hits? Probably because it is a relatively new list and doesn't see the amount of traffic that the other lists do. # 3. What ever happened to the host Advocacy.FreeBSD.Org? (One of the # search page hits lead there.) It has gone away and been replaced with http://freebsd.tesserae.com/ among other sites, I believe. # 4. I can't be the only guy to've ever introduced a "noise" message into # the PR system. Is there a systemic problem that makes it difficult to # close a "noise" message and get on with it? Nope. It took me about 30 seconds to close the PR and type in my reasoning behind it. I have an account on the GNATS box so I closed it instead of Jeroen. To the best of my knowledge he doesn't have an account yet, though he does the Project a tremendous service by drudging through the PR database looking for things to help out with. # Thanks for your consideration. Thank you. -steve # Bob >Unformatted: